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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elp6n</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think for my sanity and yours I shouldn't argue points, as you and I have extremely differing view points, that quite honestly, I won't be swayed from.

An example: I believe that homosexuals are born that way. I have arguments for this, both from research I've read/followed and from having friends and acquaintences that are homosexual. Granted there are some out there that are following a homosexual lifestyle by choice, but they are not truly homosexual and don't quite count in the argument. I will argue this until the cows come home, and you'll argue the opposite until the cows come home and neither of us will be swayed.

That's why I just let sleeping dogs lie. </div></div>


I understand that sometime research wil support that Homosexuals are born that way.... But humbly I disagree... so we do have 2 different views. Here is where I get my views at... It is this scripture that says we all are created in the image of god.. and a lot more that do not support that lifestyle. I am sure your friends are awsome people... and they will have to come to the conclusion themselves whether they believe they were born that way and cannot change it or decide they were not born that way and change it... that wil soley be up to them. To be honest one of my best friends was gay in the past... he is an awsome guy... one of the best guys I know. By his own confession here is what he has said: In the beginning he thought he was born that way... but later on in life he became convicted when he opened up and he admits to me that he fights it every once in a while but now that he feels like it is not normal he has decided to turn away from it by repenting. So this is his story and I am sure there are different stories out there that would support both sides.

[R0cketer]

Ok PacMan, here is a simple argument to the very thing you posted.

You said, you get your views are due to the scripture that we are all created in the image of God, so that can't be homosexual, right?

So someone can't be born homosexual, because that isn't 'in the image of God'.

So how can someone be born with a disease, be it MS, Cancer, or whatever, because that isn't the image of God either, is it?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R0cketer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok PacMan, here is a simple argument to the very thing you posted.

You said, you get your views are due to the scripture that we are all created in the image of God, so that can't be homosexual, right?

So someone can't be born homosexual, because that isn't 'in the image of God'.

So how can someone be born with a disease, be it MS, Cancer, or whatever, because that isn't the image of God either, is it?

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Rock that goes back to another post ... MS,and cancer are phsical diseases.. and we get sicknesses like this not because we deserve them but because of sin.. way back in the garden. Being homosexual is not a phsical illness... in my humble opinion it is a mental illness... or mental not phsical. Created in the image of God has nothing to do with not obtaining phsical sickness.. a lot of good or bad people get diseases.

[R0cketer]

Ok, you classify it as a mental illness, so people born with a mental illness are in the image of God?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R0cketer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, you classify it as a mental illness, so people born with a mental illness are in the image of God? </div></div>

Not in a form of mental illness like mental retardation or something like that... I am talking about a mental disorder that we through God have the power to cahnge. If you read my other post I have a good friend that used to be gay... read it. But repectfully I say we are born in the image of God which can mean this: Characterisitics of the human spirit and the ability to make moral judgements. So if we say is Homosexuality moral or immorral? Some will take both sides.. God has given us that ability through his likeness which is what you read in the Bible.. the Bible paints an image of who God is... so we can come to a counclusion and answer this... the Bible says it is immoral so I say it is also. We also have some posters on here that says it is okay... I do not know where there basis other than that is what they believe... you will have to ask them.Some will say that Scientists have proof that they are born that way.. I do not debate that... all I know is it contridicts what is in the Bible.

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And it appears my example was a good one.

To me all the examples you gave why it's a "choice" just don't add up. To me it's hemming and hawing and grasping at straws.

But the examples I could give won't convince you otherwise either.

The defense rests! [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif[/img]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elp6n</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And it appears my example was a good one.

To me all the examples you gave why it's a "choice" just don't add up. To me it's hemming and hawing and grasping at straws.

But the examples I could give won't convince you otherwise either.

The defense rests! [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif[/img] </div></div>

What was your example? I do not recall any examples that you gave.Yes it is a choice and humbley I say this: God said choose this day whom you will serve.. that is a choice also. So he is saying the same thing on these type of hard decisions that we make. Yes it is a choice to do or not to do.. we have a free will... and we are allowed to dictate what we will do... but I believe if we love and want to obey God we will make the decision that he supports. YOu see it as grasping at straws... please explain this opinion to me... because respectfully I do not understand.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R0cketer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, you classify it as a mental illness, so people born with a mental illness are in the image of God? </div></div>

Yes I believe it would be classified as a mental illness.No one is born like this.. it is choices that they make as they get older. From adolesence to adult hood we have learned traits.. either from our family, friends, or peole closest to us. No one is born depressed ... they become that way.... no one is born anxious.. they become that way... get it? Again we are all born in the image of God... and somewhere along the way some or most get polluted by this world.